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the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >> exextremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. >> it didn't work. now their talking points. >> we are significantly troubled. >> i want to say that i'm more troubled today. >> democrats shot back. >> they are not only blaming her for this intelligence report, they are trying to blame her for the actual tragic event. >> i've seen so much crazy stuff in this house could i write a book. >> or make an internet video. >> not be a true god-fearing person and be on a television show like that. >> that's actor angus t. jones, the "two and a half men" star caught slamming his own tv show. >> if you watch "two and a half men," please don't watch "two a
the week center on a big worry. >> this fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we could actually go off the fiscal cliff. >> we're facing a fiscal grand canyon. >> okay. so it's a big deal. question is can these guys strike a deal? >> i've got to repeat. i've got a pen. >> meantime, damage control for u.n. ambassador susan rice out to smooth things over with this week with republicans after those benghazi talking point. >>...
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fiscal cliff is still three weeks away, but the economy may have already taken a hit. economists predict that the monthly jobs report will show that employers added more than -- less than 100,000 jobs in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. economists predict that perhaps 200,000 jobs that you're -- 200,000 fewer jobs were created this year because of worries over the pasqual. republicans and democrats are talking again, but still no breakthrough. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling be part of a deal. >> he shows what he is really after is assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars. >> republicans who said they are open to raising tax revenue said they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if no deal happens one casualty would be long-term unemployment help. >> christmas would be off the table. >> aides to speaker boehner and president obama met yesterday. >> we are finding out what folks in
fiscal cliff is still three weeks away, but the economy may have already taken a hit. economists predict that the monthly jobs report will show that employers added more than -- less than 100,000 jobs in november. superstorm sandy may be part of the reason, but worry over the fiscal cliff may have also had an impact. economists predict that perhaps 200,000 jobs that you're -- 200,000 fewer jobs were created this year because of worries over the pasqual. republicans and democrats are talking...
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cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the things i agree with. >> it will not kill the economy. >> if you do those tax increases it will. >> i want to make sure. this is a little different point. i hear you on the fiscal cliff, howard. i appreciate respect of you as much as i may disagree. what's really at stake here, one of the things at stake here, steve moore, is the idea that changing taxes, for example raising tax rates on capital and dividend and private equity firms and individuals and small business, that that doesn't matter. and what i'm saying is, when you see
cliff really a fiscal slope. if they come to a compromise the politicians in washington, both republicans and democrats are going to reduce the size of deficit reduction dramatically. my argument will be let's go right down that fiscal slope. let's raise the revenue and make the cuts that have to be made which nobody in washington is willing to make. and let's take a big bite out of the deficit and restore confidence to our markets. >> that's going to kill the economy. this is one of the...
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the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically week and counting before you think the equity market really drops significantly? >> if we do get a deal done do, we just maintain the 2% that we're stuck in with the high unemployment and not go down? or does it actually allow us to start growing again? is anybody talking growth? >> we're talking growth. >> is it possible to ever get back to that in this environment? >> it is. you have a lot of problems with the piece. >> do you briyou believe if you rote deficit -- two different ways. you either keep the government that you
the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically...
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the fiscal cliff, no game. the a-team tells us whether the president will listen or whether president will listen or whether he will get ready to anand we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn' my first christmas. these deals all seem great atthe time... but later, not so much. this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ] olaf's small busins earns 2% cash back on every purchase, ery day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve great rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with 2% cash back or double miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? lou: you can a environmentalists to the growing list of susan rice as potenal nomination to t secretary of state. that is what she needed, little bit more o
the fiscal cliff, no game. the a-team tells us whether the president will listen or whether president will listen or whether he will get ready to anand we can save you 10% on ground shipping over the ups store. look this isn' my first christmas. these deals all seem great atthe time... but later, not so much. this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. olaf gets great rewards for his small business! pizza! [ garth ]...
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fiscal cliff. >> it's fiscally center. i don't know if it's center right. >> martin, what's happening around the globe in terms of you're talking about -- >> i wish i knew because it's very mucky. it's tough. and i think clients have actually gone from looking -- >> i'm looking up the same thing. >> clients have gone from looking at annual for quarterly. i think we saw in september really rapid adjustments by clipts clients. july and august were okay. september was tough. october was better than we thought. but it's very uncertain. they're finding it very difficult to predict consumer behavior in the short term. >> and as a result they're pulling back? >> as a result they're being very cautious. so while you have the fiddling this washington and we saw that in the summer of 2011, exactly the same situation -- >> do you blame this on the fiscal cliff in part? >> it's part of it. we talk about four gray swans, eurozone, middle east, china, hard/soft landing, definitely soft in our view, and last but not least what's going on
fiscal cliff. >> it's fiscally center. i don't know if it's center right. >> martin, what's happening around the globe in terms of you're talking about -- >> i wish i knew because it's very mucky. it's tough. and i think clients have actually gone from looking -- >> i'm looking up the same thing. >> clients have gone from looking at annual for quarterly. i think we saw in september really rapid adjustments by clipts clients. july and august were okay. september was...
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i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press" this weekend had great line. he said on january 8th when the reporting starts, there will be a foot race to fire people if we don't get this cliff taken care of which is why if we're going over the
i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press"...
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we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes going much higher. what will that do to the investor class, to the entrepreneurialism that we're seeing
we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it...
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fiscal cliff, beyond the fiscal cliff. let me get to this steve. this is about including the debt ceiling. and what the president said about that in this negotiation today. >> we are not going to play that game next year. >> if congress in any way suggests they will tie negotiation to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game. because we have to break that habit before it starts. >> bret: what about that? >> well, the president had as many red lines for iran as for house republicans. i think what kirsten said is absolutely remarkable. it is about the scalp. it's about the president having made a campaign argument for the better part of 2012. so that he could run a class warfare campaign. now having to make good on that with the base of his party. the u.s. economy be damned. the republicans offered to give so much and offering precisely what erskine bowles laid out as a compromise position in
fiscal cliff, beyond the fiscal cliff. let me get to this steve. this is about including the debt ceiling. and what the president said about that in this negotiation today. >> we are not going to play that game next year. >> if congress in any way suggests they will tie negotiation to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year. i will not play that game....
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click on the fiscal cliff banner which is at the top of our home page. you'll find a countdown clock and a calculator to help you figure out the impact the fiscal cliff will have on you. >>> u.s. senator jim demint has announced he's resigning. the republican from south carolina is leaving capitol hill to become president of the heritage foundation. he was first elected to the senate in 2004. south carolina governor nik haley will appoint a replacement. >>> we're waiting to hear if the man charged in the august shooting at the family research council will take a plea deal. prosecutors told floyd lee corkins that he would have to plead guilty to three of ten counts in the federal indictment, including a charge of committing an act of terrorism. corkins is accused of opening fire at the council in northwest washington. a man wounded in that shooting held down the gunman until police arrived. >>> there will be a much different tone outside the white house. that's because the annual pageant of peace and the national christmas tree lighting festivities are ab
click on the fiscal cliff banner which is at the top of our home page. you'll find a countdown clock and a calculator to help you figure out the impact the fiscal cliff will have on you. >>> u.s. senator jim demint has announced he's resigning. the republican from south carolina is leaving capitol hill to become president of the heritage foundation. he was first elected to the senate in 2004. south carolina governor nik haley will appoint a replacement. >>> we're waiting to...
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fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
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a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a brunch of different things in it, but the main thing that will be close to 1% of u.s. gdp is the expiring of the payroll tax cut. both sides of the aisle agree on that. it will fall disproceportiona a on middle income households. >> and instead of the bush tax cuts for example which are a decade old, these were meant as very specific kind of post financial crisis stimulus. so they appear to be going away. but as you say, there will be a mathematical hit to gdp because of that. is the economy strong enough to handle that hit? >> well, we reckon the economy is probably growing somewhere
a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a...
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next, how cherry's could be the latest victim in the fiscal cliff talks. the president of the united way joins me next. gerri: coming up, the war over charitable deductions. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white house with the president. white house officials pleading there case. i can't imagine having to better guess for this segment. i want to start with this idea because it kind of blew me away when i saw. a major beneficiary for the charitable deddction, the %-i thought what about that charities and all the people who do -- to rely on them for there good work. let's star
next, how cherry's could be the latest victim in the fiscal cliff talks. the president of the united way joins me next. gerri: coming up, the war over charitable deductions. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent...
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the fiscal cliff, no game. the a-team tells us whether the president will listen or whether he will get ready to die lou: you can add environmentalists to the growing list of susan rice as potential nomination to the secretary of state. that is what she needed, little bit more opposition. she holds about a half million dollars in shares. the company seeking state department approval of a keystone xl pipeline. a third of her personal wealth coming out as high as 44 million is invested in canadian energy interests. she was born in canada and we don't know if there was a relationship. there is a reason critics report to the ex-im bank in the 2012 the school year, another 15 billion in taxpayer loan guarantees issued with the subsidized sales of a single company. boeing benefiting over that period. the ceo, he enjoys a very solid relationship with the administration. in fact, he chairs the export council. and a special nod tonight to a new york city police officer. being praised for an act of kindness caught on cam
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>> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane sandy which could put our unemployment up to an 8% rate. >> all right. we'll be watching that. thanks very much to you both. we appreciate it. of course we'll be looking at this market and whether or not it loses the steam come the big rally today. ticktock, ticktock on the fiscal cliff. my thoughts on the story from timothy geithner. guess what, folks. i think we're going over the cliff. back in a moment. are system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where
>> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow with initial claims at about 390,000, but the big story is really friday as we look to the jobs report. we believe that the effect of the payroll will be at 50,000 range due to the effect of hurricane...
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you talk about the greek fiscal cliff. we have our own and people here say we could be the next greece. how does that make you feel when you hear that kind of talk from american politicians, american business people, american citizens? >> extremely worrisome because you represent 25% of the global economy whereas greece, which wasn't the cause of the european crisis, only represents 2% of the european gdp. so if you guys were to actually have such deep problems, then it would mean problems for everyone globally and no one would want that. i'm sure that you'll be able to find the right solution by the end of december. >> let us hope. mr. michalos, thank you very much. sue? >>> thank you, ty. two big winners in that $587 million record powerball lottery. but how much do you really need to earn to make you happy? the answer may surprise you. >>> and before you fill up your tank with gas, listen up. aaa is warning regulators to stop sales of a certain type of fuel at the pump because it could damage your car and void your car
you talk about the greek fiscal cliff. we have our own and people here say we could be the next greece. how does that make you feel when you hear that kind of talk from american politicians, american business people, american citizens? >> extremely worrisome because you represent 25% of the global economy whereas greece, which wasn't the cause of the european crisis, only represents 2% of the european gdp. so if you guys were to actually have such deep problems, then it would mean...
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the fiscal cliff still looming. new survey finds more than half of leading investment professionals expect a deal, though, before year end. but it's their opinions on what happens if a compromise isn't reached that is troubling. and sec warning to netflix raising questions about how
the fiscal cliff still looming. new survey finds more than half of leading investment professionals expect a deal, though, before year end. but it's their opinions on what happens if a compromise isn't reached that is troubling. and sec warning to netflix raising questions about how
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so you say this fiscal cliff, its fiscal nuclear bomb. what are some of the elements that concern you most? >> let's starts with this was something created by congress and signed into law by president obama. so this is not a tsunami that just came by accident, mother nature. this was created by our elected public officials. should it go off, it will be nothing short of a nuclear weapon, a fiscal nuclear weapon. we have not only the increasing of capital gains taxes and marginal tax rates but 26-28 million americans are going to be subject to the alternative minimum tax. that is potentially $3700 additional tax liability. we have the elimination of the 2% social security benefit and up to $55 billion on the social programs. $55 billion out of defense on and on. this will be nothing short of a nuclear catastrophe. >> heather: we keep hearing how this is going to affect the higher income people. according to the congressional budget office, all americans will be affected if the deal is not reached. not just in terms of revenue but job loss.
so you say this fiscal cliff, its fiscal nuclear bomb. what are some of the elements that concern you most? >> let's starts with this was something created by congress and signed into law by president obama. so this is not a tsunami that just came by accident, mother nature. this was created by our elected public officials. should it go off, it will be nothing short of a nuclear weapon, a fiscal nuclear weapon. we have not only the increasing of capital gains taxes and marginal tax rates...
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fiscal cliff and all of the other stuff. great story on the front page of wall street journal today talking about portfolio pumping. another example of investors thinking they're not getting a fair shake out of the stock market. >> larry, you call that complacency, don't you? >> that's right. i'm actually shocked that these investors appear to be asleep at the switch in light of the fiscal fiasco looming in less than a month. you would think investors saying their concerns would be running for the hills or at least buying portfolio protection to protect themselves against potential disaster. we see the vix very low. they're not taking the type of defensive, decisive action. if we get a downgrade and if this happens, it will be terrible for the market. that's what's potentially on the market, if we don't make a deal in washington. >> scott, let me ask you again how you want to allocate capital then in that environment. i know george young is with us again, joining the conversation. i want to ask you the same question. go ahea
fiscal cliff and all of the other stuff. great story on the front page of wall street journal today talking about portfolio pumping. another example of investors thinking they're not getting a fair shake out of the stock market. >> larry, you call that complacency, don't you? >> that's right. i'm actually shocked that these investors appear to be asleep at the switch in light of the fiscal fiasco looming in less than a month. you would think investors saying their concerns would be...
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cliff orifior fiscal stalemate. we'll get a live report how it works. can he get the ball rolling? congressman karen bass and conk man chris van hollen will join me to talk about where things stand. bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lym
cliff orifior fiscal stalemate. we'll get a live report how it works. can he get the ball rolling? congressman karen bass and conk man chris van hollen will join me to talk about where things stand. bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just...
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house republicans released their counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff. now it's really a fiscal fiesta. since it's a party we called in luke russert who emerged from a briefing. what's on the table? >> reporter: good afternoon, toure. big news here on capitol hill. we talked about being in a stalemate recently in terms of the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and along with the rest of the leadership has presented an offer to the white house in a letter sent today based off something boles said to the supercommittee last year. you see the offer on the screen. 800 billion through tax reform, 600 billion in health savings, 300 billion in mandatory savings, 300 billion further discretionary savings. it nets to a total of $2.2 trillion in savings. what does it mean? in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new rev
house republicans released their counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff. now it's really a fiscal fiesta. since it's a party we called in luke russert who emerged from a briefing. what's on the table? >> reporter: good afternoon, toure. big news here on capitol hill. we talked about being in a stalemate recently in terms of the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner and along with the rest of the leadership has presented an offer to the white house in a letter sent today based off...
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whether we are going to go off of the fiscal cliff. a lot are saying hell, let's go over the fiscal cliff and show the american people who is responsible. >> unfortunately, democrats tend to be the responsible party in terms of actually wanting to governor. it's no surprise that when republicans are in power, government doesn't function well. >> they hate it. >> why would you make something operate well that you don't like? we have to remember why we are here. this is the piece of the story that is forgotten over and over again. the fiscal cliff is a creation of the republican party. had it not been for a republican party that was unwilling to grant this president an extension on the debt ceiling -- >> which every other president has been able to get in a bi-partisan fashion. >> absolutely. then we wouldn't be here right now. we would not be on the edge of the cliff. it's a precarious thing to negotiate around when you consider we might get thrown into a recession if we do go over it. but the more i watch the right, it the more it look
whether we are going to go off of the fiscal cliff. a lot are saying hell, let's go over the fiscal cliff and show the american people who is responsible. >> unfortunately, democrats tend to be the responsible party in terms of actually wanting to governor. it's no surprise that when republicans are in power, government doesn't function well. >> they hate it. >> why would you make something operate well that you don't like? we have to remember why we are here. this is the...
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a gop counteroffer on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we do
a gop counteroffer on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200...
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fiscal cliff. i think people know there will be some type of resolution. we didn't know the details or when. but companies are still investing the way they would normally do and they're not stopping because of -- >> that doesn't make us quake a bit about the jobs report later this will week and what that does for investors' nerves? >> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the economy. so it will be a bit of a wash in terms of reading the tea leaves for the u.s. >> so the growth picture for the u.s., we sort of 1%, 2%, depending on what happens with the fiscal cliff. what do you think, 2.5%? >> yeah, i think we should be 2.5% to 3% by the end of next year. >> which might be a slightly better outturn. china seems to be back on track. is there anything in europe -- what's the tail risk at the moment? >> i think there's two things that could still go wrong in europe. one, there's always politica
fiscal cliff. i think people know there will be some type of resolution. we didn't know the details or when. but companies are still investing the way they would normally do and they're not stopping because of -- >> that doesn't make us quake a bit about the jobs report later this will week and what that does for investors' nerves? >> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the...
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but again only on news of setbacks to the fiscal cliff talks. we're not going to go in and buy anything these days. you'll get some representative congressman, senator come on say you stupid idiot. you bought stock and i'm talking on a microphone. i'm sending the stock market down because there's no progress. we have not one but two huge analyst days next week. only one an opportunity to buy. starbucks is coming to town on wednesday. you better get ready for one terrific show as the one and only howard schultz i believe will tell you that business is smoking in so many places in china to the united states and that tebana will be the next generation starbucks as soon as the merger is completed. the next day yum brands. it's coming to town. that company will have some explaining to do. i will have more on what yums needs to tell us. the sting of the earnings shortfall last night will still be with us no matter how good kentucky fried chicken might taste. also we hear from lulu lem athletics. i got a situation for how to trade this wild stock. wait
but again only on news of setbacks to the fiscal cliff talks. we're not going to go in and buy anything these days. you'll get some representative congressman, senator come on say you stupid idiot. you bought stock and i'm talking on a microphone. i'm sending the stock market down because there's no progress. we have not one but two huge analyst days next week. only one an opportunity to buy. starbucks is coming to town on wednesday. you better get ready for one terrific show as the one and...
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they are nowhere near a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. peter doocy is life in washington with more. >> republicans have had their proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff complete with 800 billion of new revenue over a decade on the table for more than a day now. it has yet to be publicly embraced by the slightest bit by any prominent democrats. because of that gop lawmakers are saying that means the white house wants to go over the fiscal cliff to make it a point. >> howard dean said it patti murray who ran the senator ideal committee. i think the presidency is a political victory for his party as they go over the cliff. i know republicans are concerned there is going to be a secondary session. >> the white house proposal raises taxes 1.6 trillion over a decade. republicans close loopholes and get rid of deductions. they say the mast won't work. >>> it is still out of balance. it is 800 million worth of revenues. he said he is going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the map it doesn't work. >> the house majority with kevin mccarth
they are nowhere near a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. peter doocy is life in washington with more. >> republicans have had their proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff complete with 800 billion of new revenue over a decade on the table for more than a day now. it has yet to be publicly embraced by the slightest bit by any prominent democrats. because of that gop lawmakers are saying that means the white house wants to go over the fiscal cliff to make it a point. >> howard...
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it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for november came out and they were way better than expected. we added a net gain of 146,000 jobs and the unemployment rate dropped to 7.7%, the lowest in four years. to steal a little from krystal, it appears it's obama and boehner one on one. there's no i in team but there's one in win, which is why the fiscal slope negotiations are getting serious. we haven't heard yet from the president but have heard from speaker boehner. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. the white house has wasted another week. it's time for the president, if h
it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. it's a gradual one. >> stooe, it's not right on to talk about people when they're right there. have some manners. do it behind their back. really, it's got for morale. there's a study and everything. >> if you can't say something nice to something, come on over here and tell it to me. no worries, you're among friends here. it's "the cycle." >>> two big developments on the economic front. first the unemployment numbers for...
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the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republ
the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding...
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congress has ever used the fiscal cliff. usual through debt ceiling as a bargaining point, which is what happened last year. this never dealt with. >> what would happen if the congress said no? the president would be forced to operate the federal government in money available to him. >> nobody said that to ronald reagan or the first george busher second george bush. >> democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling. >> but nobody has ever, ever stopped it and made it a point of then fiscal negotiation. only happened once. >> we have never been in treacherous, perilous fiscal circumstances as today. >> bret: top senate republican calling it quits was here on the set with us. the all-stars weigh in on that. surprising development next. initiated. neural speeds increasing to 4g lte. brain upgrading to a quad-core processor. predictive intelligence with google now complete. introducing droid dna by htc. it's not an upgrade to your phone. it's an upgrade to yourself. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood coul
congress has ever used the fiscal cliff. usual through debt ceiling as a bargaining point, which is what happened last year. this never dealt with. >> what would happen if the congress said no? the president would be forced to operate the federal government in money available to him. >> nobody said that to ronald reagan or the first george busher second george bush. >> democrats voted against raising the debt ceiling. >> but nobody has ever, ever stopped it and made it a...
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we talked about the fiscal cliff. today we have cliff noran, $154 billion in assets under management. and as joe was saying during the break, we have a little bit of a drinking game. every time we mention fiscal cliff. a lot of viewers are kind of drunk by thousand. >> i'll toast with them. >> are you up in boston? >> springfield, mass. mostly bonds. we specialize in corporate bonds, real estate. >> so what are you doing about the fiscal cliff? >> we think it's actually a good thing because it's addressing something in our country that's gotten out of control. step back the last five years, september 2007, we crossed $9 trillion in debt. thousand we're at $16.2 trillion to $16.3 trillion four years later. five years later. deficits of 1.25 trillion for the last five years. so we have a problem in our country that really needs to be resolved. we've become addicted to stimulus really through deficit spending, through 0% interest rates. >> how are you investing around this? >> we're comfortable investing in corporate bon
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>> the biggest risk is fiscal cliff. it is a weak fourth quarter. we could have a much better year if we choose to avert the fiscal cliff and move toward credible deficit reduction. if we don't, i think that's the real critical bet is will we get there or not? >> good to see you both. have a great weekend. thank you very much. >>> simon mentioned we're going to get exclusive reaction to today's job report from goldman sachs chief economist jan hatzius straight ahead. >> who better to sit down and talk with than whirlpool. >> announcer: the number is out. >> november nonfarm payrolls increased by 146,000 jobs. >> announcer: were you able to nail the number? if so, you may be the winner of this picture frame signed by the "squawk on the street" gang. find out if it was you later on "squawk on the street." if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build
>> the biggest risk is fiscal cliff. it is a weak fourth quarter. we could have a much better year if we choose to avert the fiscal cliff and move toward credible deficit reduction. if we don't, i think that's the real critical bet is will we get there or not? >> good to see you both. have a great weekend. thank you very much. >>> simon mentioned we're going to get exclusive reaction to today's job report from goldman sachs chief economist jan hatzius straight ahead....
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fiscal cliff, big, big issue. there are now, it seems, growing numbers of people on both the right and the left who would like to see us just go over that fiscal cliff. how big of a problem would that be? >> that would be a big problem. i actually still believe that those -- the democrats, the administration, republicans in the final analysis don't want to see that happen. they do understand that not only would that present a problem in the near term as we went over the cliff at the end of the year, but we still then have the whole debt ceiling fight that would transpire shortly into the new year. the issue isn't simply the negative result of going over the cliff, but it's also that business, consumers, everybody continues to hold back on the uncertainty. and we believe the economy is pretty well positioned potentially in 2013 if we can put this behind us. so i think a lot of what's going on is what you would expect to see in this negotiation, very public negotiation, which is not the best way to do it. i think at
fiscal cliff, big, big issue. there are now, it seems, growing numbers of people on both the right and the left who would like to see us just go over that fiscal cliff. how big of a problem would that be? >> that would be a big problem. i actually still believe that those -- the democrats, the administration, republicans in the final analysis don't want to see that happen. they do understand that not only would that present a problem in the near term as we went over the cliff at the end...
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i think we will avoid the fiscal cliff. if that's the case, it's a $66 stock and you could go higher. that ladies and gentlemen is the conclusion of the lightning round. >> the lightning round is sponsored by td ameritrade. >> believe it or not, i actually used to be a mountain climber. what do you think? always had the best gear, climb up from whatever crevice or abyss faced me. this is the day when my equipment felt a little superfluous. buckle my helmet, will you? wow, am i ever ready for this baby. >> hi, jim. john jay, i don't know if anyone ever told you, but you resemble billy joel, not lennon like you showed that portrait. >> if i look like billy joel i'm done eating. done eden. that's a play on where you're from. i'm cramer. welcome to "mad money." welcome to cramerica. other people want to make money. i'm just trying to -- without regina i'm lost. without regina i'm lost! we got some great news to report tonight. our fabulous executive producer regina had a baby girl today. we want to welcome to the world rg2. why
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especially if we go over the fiscal cliff. what top economists are saying about your investments. >>> and is this what the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of mo
especially if we go over the fiscal cliff. what top economists are saying about your investments. >>> and is this what the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us....
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some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain relief. this season, discover aleve. all day pain relief with just two pills.
some very insightful reporting. >>> 31 days out to the fiscal cliff. we will go live to see what the president is saying to house leaders and whether that will keep us any further away from the edge. >>> also, how did the president capture the latino vote? was it as simple as embracing immigration reform or was it something else? we'll talk about that, as well. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] everyone deserves the gift of all day pain...
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. >>> and 27 days to go when the fiscal cliff arrives, so why are so many members of the house going home when they're supposed to be working on it? >>> and people showing up for others, right when they need it. nightly news begins now. >>> good evening, we begin tonight with an important story, details of which may sound very familiar to a lot of americans, given our history over the past few years in places like iraq. tonight, pentagon sources are telling nbc news syria is preparing chemical weapons for their possible use against the syrian people in the form of aerial bombs. it is believed this specific intelligence is the reason why president obama took a hard line against syria just a few days ago, warning them there would be consequences if these weapons were used. let's begin here tonight with the very latest. >> reporter: good evening, brian, u.s. officials tell us that the syrian military is poised tonight to use chemical weapons against its own people. and all it would take is the final order from syrian president assad. as the fighting grows more intense and syrian rebels
. >>> and 27 days to go when the fiscal cliff arrives, so why are so many members of the house going home when they're supposed to be working on it? >>> and people showing up for others, right when they need it. nightly news begins now. >>> good evening, we begin tonight with an important story, details of which may sound very familiar to a lot of americans, given our history over the past few years in places like iraq. tonight, pentagon sources are telling nbc news...
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. >> the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. >> fiscal cliff negotiations in washington, still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president if he gets serious about solving this problem. >> the duchess of cambridge has left hospital. there for morning sickness. >> how are you feeling this morning, kate? >> as of today, possession of small amounts of marijuana is legal in the state of washington. >>> now the 55th annual grammy awards revealed. the top contender, kanye west and jay-z. >> he's got it. kobe bryant. the greatest player in the history of the los angeles lakers. >> all that, ready for your mistake? >> yeah. i'd like to hear it. >> can eating while driving be distracting. >> no! >> and all that matters. >> former senator alan simpson is bringing his meg abossage ab the national debt to a new generation. >> gangnam style. >> on cbs "this morning." >> the star? a toddler and tiaras earning a spot on barbara walters list of the 20 most f
. >> the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. >> fiscal cliff negotiations in washington, still up in the air. most lawmakers have gone home for a long weekend. >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president if he gets serious about solving this problem. >> the duchess of cambridge has left hospital. there for morning sickness. >> how are you feeling this morning, kate? >> as...
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how to avoid the "fiscal cliff" this morning at the white house. >> we're not sort of saying it should be that plan or that plan. i think what we all agree on is something has to get done. >> as governors we think it's important that we're part of the discussions both in terms of the impact it has on our finances and our economies. >> reporter: state government cost lose much-needed federal aid if democrats and republicans don't reach a deal to stop automatic spending cuts before the end of the year. the other issue is taxes. congressional republicans want bush-era tax cuts extended for all americans. president obama says those tax cuts must expire for households making $250,000 or more. >> it's a position that is supported by a majority of the american people. and, you know, we need to see from republicans an acknowledgement of that. >> reporter: the gop proposal that the white house quickly rejected closes tax loopholes and reduces deductions to raise 800 billion-dollar in new revenue. the plan cuts $600 billion in healthcare entitlement programs. >> we are overspending and until you
how to avoid the "fiscal cliff" this morning at the white house. >> we're not sort of saying it should be that plan or that plan. i think what we all agree on is something has to get done. >> as governors we think it's important that we're part of the discussions both in terms of the impact it has on our finances and our economies. >> reporter: state government cost lose much-needed federal aid if democrats and republicans don't reach a deal to stop automatic...
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it is a republican compromise solution to the impending fiscal cliff. spending cut and tax increases that both sides mean would mean recession. after what both sides called a frustrating weekend. today's development don't appear to break a log jam. not yet. ed henry begins our coverage. >> reporter: good evening. they are saying the plan is ridiculous, so much so they will not offer counterproposal to the g.o.p. counterproposal and say tonight unless speaker boehner gives in on raising taxes on the rich, the president is ready to go off the cliff. >> right now i'd say we are nowhere, period. nowhere. >> john boehner declaring a stalemate in an exclusive with fox, as republicans teed off on president obama first offer that included new spending plus 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. totally unacceptable. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made political calculation. white house officials insisted disaster could be amended and demanded a counter offer on the table. >> what we hope for is specificity from the republicans. >> an hour lat
it is a republican compromise solution to the impending fiscal cliff. spending cut and tax increases that both sides mean would mean recession. after what both sides called a frustrating weekend. today's development don't appear to break a log jam. not yet. ed henry begins our coverage. >> reporter: good evening. they are saying the plan is ridiculous, so much so they will not offer counterproposal to the g.o.p. counterproposal and say tonight unless speaker boehner gives in on raising...
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with all the talk of a fiscal cliff. record numbers and they have spent little that they have left on the ticks on the power ball. is this a tax on the poor? and the numbers point that out. it is a tax on the poor. for some people this is fun and games and i don't regret or be gruth anything to anybody. i think of the movie waiting for superman there were parts of that movie that i had an issue with. everyone who saw these kids kiting with the parents with the school meetings with the balls bouncing around hoping that their number would come up so that they could get a seat. when you see those balls bu s bouncing around. again, when education becomes a lottery, we become a problem. what about black friday? is it healthy that americans rush out with 8% unemployment. by all of these deals and so on? is that healthy to be having this happen on friday it carried on over the weekend. it is. >> the short answer is when you have corporate greed and indifference and some bad decision s a lottery ticket isnt going to bail you out
with all the talk of a fiscal cliff. record numbers and they have spent little that they have left on the ticks on the power ball. is this a tax on the poor? and the numbers point that out. it is a tax on the poor. for some people this is fun and games and i don't regret or be gruth anything to anybody. i think of the movie waiting for superman there were parts of that movie that i had an issue with. everyone who saw these kids kiting with the parents with the school meetings with the balls...
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first, the fiscal cliff. the fiscal cliff sound bites, they are flying even if the actual negotiations are at a stand still. president obama says republicans, they're the ones that need to take the next step here. republicans say no way, ball's in your court, mr. president. >> we can probably solve this in about a week. it is not that tough. >> now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. now, the revenues we're put on the table are going to come from, guess who, the rich. >> if we can get the leadership on the republican side to take that framework, take knowledge of that reality, then the numbers actually aren't that far apart. >> where are the specifics, where are the discussions? nothing is going on. >> passing middle income tax cut means the end of holding them hostage from tax cuts for the middle -- for the rich. >> i think the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give your answer of where we're going. this
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. >>> the president is taking the fiscal cliff solution to the people. plus, a modern day five story ripped through the pages of a tom clancey novel. "early today" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "early today" for friday, december 7th, 2012. >>> good mornings,er one. i'm lynn berry. we're going to start with breaking news out of japan. a strong 7.3 earthquake has struck off the country's northeast coast beneath the sea bed. it shook buildings as far as tokyo and warnings were issued for miyagi prefecture. there's no risk for a widespread tsunami. we'll bring you the very latest. >>> elsewhere, all eyes are on cairo this morning as turmoil has once again overtaken egypt's capitol, this time in response to a political explosive power grab by the president, mohammed morsi. right now army tanks surround the presidential palace as thousands of protesters shout topple the regime, the same chant heard during the regime of hosni mubarak. in a tv show morsi said absolute powers he granted himself will expire with a vote on december 15th but that did littl
. >>> the president is taking the fiscal cliff solution to the people. plus, a modern day five story ripped through the pages of a tom clancey novel. "early today" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "early today" for friday, december 7th, 2012. >>> good mornings,er one. i'm lynn berry. we're going to start with breaking news out of japan. a strong 7.3 earthquake has struck off the country's northeast coast beneath the sea bed. it shook buildings...
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and obviously the fiscal cliff. we'll talk to two men on opposite sides of this, the executive director of stop gambling. i'm going to start with you, terry rich, you obviously run one of the big lotteries in america. you obviously heard what dave said, they don't like it, a tax on the poor, and really it should just be cancelled. >> you know, as he said that, i would just add one word, it is opti optional revenue, people don't have to play. and as lotteries work across the country under great leadership of the governor and legislature, who wouldn't allow, as you say, preying on the poor, it is important that we continue to talk about the lottery. that it is not an investment. i absolutely agree with that. this is a chance to have some entertainment. and in this tough economic times to dream just a little bit. so anybody who is spending too much, we'll say don't play. we don't want you to play, get help, you know somebody who is doing that. every lottery has a website and an address with how to get help. this is dis
and obviously the fiscal cliff. we'll talk to two men on opposite sides of this, the executive director of stop gambling. i'm going to start with you, terry rich, you obviously run one of the big lotteries in america. you obviously heard what dave said, they don't like it, a tax on the poor, and really it should just be cancelled. >> you know, as he said that, i would just add one word, it is opti optional revenue, people don't have to play. and as lotteries work across the country under...
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fiscal cliff is not cutting spending. it's about preventing a tax increase that preventing spending cuts. now the republican arguement is more complicated. to use the deadline, legitimate argument. i agree with it in principle. use the deadline to get the longer range spending cuts. the president can say fine, i want to negotiate those next year. can't do it in three weeks. incidentally, speaker boehner what medicare cuts are you for, he will say? if the republican position, the republicans campaigned against $716 million in medicare cuts from the current program. republicans for medicare reform. not for squeezing the current program. they will say i want to give the middle class, make sure the middle class tax rate stay where they are. i don't want the republicans to squeeze medicare more than we did, have done in the past. i'm worried. that the president has an awful lot of leverage. >> bret: but you have the democrats, juan, like mike pryor of arkansas who told politico this -- "as you know people around here like the
fiscal cliff is not cutting spending. it's about preventing a tax increase that preventing spending cuts. now the republican arguement is more complicated. to use the deadline, legitimate argument. i agree with it in principle. use the deadline to get the longer range spending cuts. the president can say fine, i want to negotiate those next year. can't do it in three weeks. incidentally, speaker boehner what medicare cuts are you for, he will say? if the republican position, the republicans...
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he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would disagree probably on some of the elements of what constitutes -- >> no, but he's saying it's not a disaster if it happens. >> well, i was going to get to that point. the fiscal cliff itself, howard is right, it's a slope. on day one the economy does not collapse and go into recession. but i worry a lot about the markets. the market reaction to going over the cliff, particularly if we go over the cliff in disarray where there's really no plan. everything's broken down. nobody knows where anybody is. i think that could be pretty ugly in the markets. having said tha
he says it's not a fiscal cliff, it's more like a fiscal slope. there are some people that occupy the left side of the american political spectrum that would agree with howard dean saying listen, it's really not that big of a deal as deficit hawks are making it out to be. you would disagree, i would guess. >> well, i think howard is disagreeing a little bit, too. i think howard is saying it's time for meaningful deficit reduction. howard's become a deficit hawk. i think howard and i would...